Are foreclosed properties good deals?

by Jay Castillo on August 30, 2010 · 16 comments

in Financial literacy, Real Estate Investing

It depends! Obviously not all foreclosed properties are good deals.

It’s common sense that not all properties are good investments, foreclosed or otherwise, you don’t need to be a real estate investing guru to know this. However, based on the number of times I’ve either heard people ask or get asked this very same question, I feel that a significant number of people out there either have a misconception about foreclosed properties, or they are simply clueless.

Let me make it clear, NOT all foreclosed properties are good deals, and it would be foolish to think all of them are.

Don’t ever expect all foreclosed properties to be good deals because if you do, you are setting yourself up for frustration, disappointment, and failure, especially when you start finding foreclosed properties that turn out to be horrible deals. More on this later.

“Hey Jay, are you saying foreclosed properties are no good?”, you might be asking.

As I said, it depends. No, I’m not discouraging you, I’m just trying to help with managing expectations. Admittedly there are more bad deals out there than good deals, but there are still more than enough hidden gems out there that can make worthy real estate investments, and the key is finding them. One needs to look at a lot, and when I say a lot, I mean a lot of properties, to find those hidden gems, after all, investing in foreclosed properties is a numbers game.

Investing in foreclosed properties is a numbers game

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, investing in foreclosed properties is a numbers game.

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The greater the number of foreclosed properties you look at, the greater the chance that you will find those good enough deals, and even some great deals. However, you will find a lot of bad deals in the process, but that’s just part of the game. It’s okay to find horrible deals, as long as you find out before you bought the property, and move on.

Keep in mind that one cannot just give up after looking at a few properties. I often hear people get frustrated with foreclosed properties after looking at just one or a couple of properties, or even with just one listing that really did not have many properties to begin with. And then they give up and say things like “I’ll never find any good deals…” or “The numbers will never work…” or “This is too hard…” or “I’m just wasting my time…”. Sorry, nobody said foreclosed real estate investing is easy! It may sound simple, but it isn’t easy.

The 100-10-3-1 Rule

You basically need to look at a significant number of properties to find those properties that are worth a second look.

How many would that be? The general recommendation would be to find about 100 properties worth a second look, after doing initial shortlisting. Out of those 100 properties, you will probably find 10 worth inspecting. Out of those 10 worth inspecting, you might find 3 properties that are worth giving offers for or bidding for, if they were for sale through a public auction. Out of the 3, you may end up buying 1.

That’s a brief overview of the 100-10-3-1 rule. I’ve read many variants of this rule from books and also from some of my mentors but they are basically the same. You analyze 100 properties, inspect 10, submit offers on 3, and end up buying 1. These are just average numbers, but you’d be surprised how accurate this average can be in real life. Been there, done that!

Other numbers to consider

Of course there are other numbers to consider when applying the 100-10-3-1 rule and when “doing the numbers”.

Numbers like After Repair Value (ARV), projected repair costs, target profit, Maximum Allowable Offer(MAO), Cash on Cash Return (CCR), Return-On-Investment or Return Of Investment(ROI), Net Operation Income(NOI), Cashflow, etc., to name a few, also need to be considered. For each of these numbers, you as the real estate investor will ultimately have to decide what is acceptable for you. These numbers will determine if a foreclosed property is a good deal or not.

If this sounds too daunting and tedious for you, I would be the first to say that this might not be for you. But there’s no harm in trying right?! Imagine what could happen if you consistently did this until doing the numbers became a habit and you actually became good at it!

No, I won’t have time to explain all of these numbers now, but one by one, they will be covered here soon.

Sometimes it’s all in the mind

I still remember during the early part of 2008 when I found myself unable to find any good deals in any of the listings of foreclosed properties that came my way.

I was still recovering from feelings of being betrayed after how Dinna Revilla, a former real estate mentor, got arrested and became a “fallen real estate guru”, and in disgust of what she allegedly did to those who trusted her(as far as I know, the case is still pending), I just decided to invest in mutual funds instead of real estate.

My respite from real estate investing however was short-lived because I eventually met another mentor, Doctor Jon Abaquin, who was also featured in Larry Gamboa’s book “Think Rich Pinoy”(see page 155), who later challenged me and a couple of my friends to each buy a property within 90 days.

Lo and behold, from the same listings lying on the table in my bedroom where I could not find any suitable properties, all of a sudden I was able to pinpoint at least 3 very promising foreclosed properties from 3 banks and I ended up submitting an offer for the most promising one. Later, that one offer got accepted. That experience opened my eyes and from that point onwards, I truly believed that there were good, and great deals out there, I just had to look a little bit harder!

But what if I do find a good deal but have no money to invest?

My take on this: Financial literacy is a prerequisite to real estate investing.  Being financially literate leads to proper management of one’s money and finances, which should then help one save enough capital for investing. When that right deal comes, you will be ready. If you think that would take too long, then another option would be to find investors for your deal, although personally, I would recommend that beginning investors do it by themselves, especially on the first few deals.

I believe you should build your track record with your own money first before risking other investors’ money. If you can’t even handle your own money, how do you expect to be able to handle the money of investors?! Sorry if I may sound harsh, but hey, this is just my opinion.

So how many properties have you looked at?

Have you looked at 1, 2, 3… and have given up already? Are you looking hard enough?

Remember, the more you look and do the numbers, the greater the chance that you’ll find that real estate investment for you.

Next time someone asks you, “Are foreclosed properties good deals?”

I’m pretty sure most of you out there will eventually encounter this question once you decide to invest in foreclosed properties and people learn what you do. Well, I hope to help save you the trouble of coming up with your own answer, which can turn out to be a very long one, just like mine. If you want, you can just send them over here, and I hope my answer above will be of help.

Next question please!

Good luck and happy investing!

To our success and financial freedom!

Jay Castillo

Real Estate Investor

Real Estate Broker License #: 20056

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  • ian

    Great post Jay!

  • lynn arielle monsanto

    100-10-3-1. If these numbers aren’t daunting enough, I don’t know what is.:)

    But like you said, Jay, real estate investing is really a numbers game. And like any math problem, from cradle to grave, it needs figuring out the long and tedious way. No shortcuts here. A mentor, an aspiring investor would need a really good one to guide his steps through the process. Someone capable of breaking it down into little digestible pieces. That way, the numbers don’t appear as daunting anymore. Thank God, I found not just one but two of the best in the trade. You and Trace.

    Kudos, as always!

  • Cynthia

    I totally agree!!! Browsing through acquired asset listings is now a hobby for me… I would note potential good deals and sometimes recommend them to friends and relatives or inspect them myself. Through the years I have browsed around a hundred listings and inspected too many pieces of property. I ended up buying 4 foreclosed property.

    I could say that all my acquisitions are great deals!!! Although 2 of them are not yet income-generating, i know that their value will be ten-folds years from now….

    I am now looking forward to my fifth acquisition, hopefully next year. I am already eyeing a particular property, visited it several times already, just awaiting the redemption period to expire…

    Good luck to all foreclosed property hunters!

  • http://www.akosiallan.com Allan @ Rich Money Habits

    As always, great insights my friend. It’s really refreshing to hear you make your point with actual experiences and honest feedback without all the hype associated with real-estate investing. More power!

  • http://www.foreclosurephilippines.com Jay

    Thanks Ian!

  • http://www.foreclosurephilippines.com Jay

    Hi Lynn! Wow, thanks for the compliment, glad to be of help! As Bo Sanchez would say, “Bite-size” it! One need not “analyze” 100 deals all at once, maybe one can analyze 1 a day, or 5 per week… and end up with a good deal in a little over 3 months. I believe that’s a realistic goal. :-)

  • http://www.foreclosurephilippines.com Jay

    Hi Cynthia! Now this is what I’m talking about! Thank you so much for sharing, I’m sure this will help inspire a lot of aspiring investors out there, good luck on your next deals and I wish you more blessings and success!

  • http://www.foreclosurephilippines.com Jay

    Thanks a lot Allan! I really enjoy looking back and sharing my learning experiences here. :-)

    You got that right, I believe it is not healthy to be OVERLY optimistic, not just with real estate investing, it applies to just about everything. Better to remain grounded and realistic, but still hoping for the best and with a healthy dose of optimism.

    Cheers and congrats on your new aweber powered newsletter, very nice!

  • http://webmaster@realbench.net realbench

    I personally like the cash on cash return calculation because it helps me measure the return on cash invested in a real estate investment property. Thus allowing me easily to compare against other non-real estate investments to see if my money is better employed someplace else. Your post gives me another angle on how to employ it more efficiently.

    Good post

  • http://www.investingpinoy.blogspot.com Bryan Uy

    Hi Jay!

    Once again, I love your article! I like the fact that you mentioned that financial literacy is a pre-requisite for investing in real estate. I like what you said that, “If you can’t even handle your own money, how do you expect to be able to handle the money of investors?!”

    Regards bro. Kelan tayo meet ulit? Malamang October 14 na? Hehe…

  • http://www.foreclosurephilippines.com Jay

    Hi Bryan, thanks for the compliment! Well, we really have to face reality that earning more money, whether through real estate investing or other means, will not solve anything if someone is really not able to manage his/her money well. And that problem can be magnified many times over when someone who is financially literate uses other people’s money.

    Dapat before pa, marami tayong kailangan i-check. :-)

  • http://www.foreclosurephilippines.com Jay

    Hi Realbench, thanks for the comment! CCR is really one of the best gauges to see if an investment is any good as compared to others. Thanks for visiting!

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  • Ferdy RV

    that’s truly an inspiration, Cynthia. i shall follow the tenet of analyzing 100 & inspecting, at least, 10 of them. thanks for your feedback! kudos to this great article by Jay.

  • terence

    Hi Jay,

    I’m from Singapore, some investors here have ask me for Philippines properties potential. what is the average ROI (return of investment) in your country. Thanks

  • jaki

    good day jay.. Im just new to real estate investing.. i wanted to find a mentor i can start with. or either groups etc thanks in advance email: naomicute08@gmail.com

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